Here are the headlines that I saw when I googled “stock market” a few years ago during a downturn:
“Is a global recession led by a US Stock Market crash in the offing?”
“Dow slides as US stock market suffers worst week in two years”
“Chart analysts see bigger market pullback if interest rates continue to shoot higher”
These headlines are going to affect everyone differently. Let me share with you how it affects me. Normally, I would pay no attention to it. But now:
I laugh at it.
It’s useless information.
Let me give you a little background on me.
I worked for Fidelity Investments as a stock broker while I was in college before I joined the military. I’m an avid finance nerd and real estate investor.
I’ve studied the markets long enough to know that index funds are the smartest way to invest your money. Trying to beat the market is pointless.
I also know that a lot of what you see in the financial media space is useless information. They try to predict where the market is going. When they get it wrong, they try to explain logically why they got it wrong, which ends up being the perfect definition of hindsight bias.
Hindsight bias, also known as the knew-it-all-along effect or creeping determinism, is the inclination, after an event has occurred, to see the event as having been predictable, despite there having been little or no objective basis for predicting it.
Financial magazines, newsletters, cable programs, videos, it’s all meant to capitalize on either fear or greed. A few weeks ago, it was greed. The markets were kicking ass.
Today it’s fear. The end is near. A crash is imminent. End of the human race. What do we do now? Keep watching the media outlets and they will tell us!
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Now the real point of me writing this post.
No, You don’t need to sell when the markets dive too much.
Another scary headline from a few years ago:
“Stock market loses nearly $1 trillion on the week”
But that’s not actually true.
You didn’t lose anything. Yet.
You see, the stock market theoretically lost value. But you didn’t lose anything unless you actually sold your stocks or mutual funds at those lower prices.
I don’t care what the daily balance on your iPhone says. That’s a theoretical number. That’s the money you would get if you were to sell everything now.
If some of you need access to your money that’s invested in the market right now, then that’s a different story. I hope you are diversified, and you’ll have to decide whether to sell or not.
But most of you, including me, are investing for the distant future. The drop in stock prices yesterday, last week, and even last month is totally meaningless.
The market fluctuates in the short term for many reasons that the media tries to explain. Whether they are right or not is pointless. It fluctuates in an unpredictable way over short periods of time. I would define short as days, weeks, and even months.
The important thing to remember is that over long periods of time, the stock market has consistently delivered roughly 7-8% on average. This is all you need to worry about. Fretting over the short-term movements and especially the corrections is a waste of time.
That 7-8% average growth includes the corrections and the bear markets.
If you try to “time the market” and get out on the drops and back in on the rises, the statistical chances of success is super-low. That 7-8% historical return will be reduced by quite a lot when you start playing games like that. Additionally, you are liable to have your money on the sidelines when a large jump happens.
When you time the market, you have to be right twice. You have to sell early enough in the drop. Then, you have to guess how low it will go and try to buy back in again when you think it’s at the bottom.
Timing the market doesn’t usually work that well. You’ll find that when you sell, the market shoots back up. You will regret your decision and buy back in, then it will dive 40%. This sucks!
Don’t try. The market is a tricky beast. Our instincts and fear work against us.
Most of us.
The chances of being right twice are very, very low. Trust in the system of riding the corrections out and getting your historic 7-8%.
Don’t mess with the system!
I know these corrections or even bear markets can be emotional hell, watching the headlines is torture, and watching your balance dwindle everyday scares you to death.
Keep in mind, you didn’t sell. Those shares are still there. They are theoretically worth less today, but will be worth much more again in the future.
Know that the stock market always comes back. History has repeated itself several times. It will happen again and again. The media will freak out every time, and a lot of people will sell at the bottom, and buy back in again near the top, and kick themselves!
Understanding something about the psychology of money is important.
Experiencing a loss of money is twice as painful emotionally as experiencing a gain.
Why is this important?
I told you before that the movements of the market over short terms are meaningless. It’s just noise. Hours, days, weeks, and even months are unimportant time frames.
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The more frequently you look at your account balances, the more unnecessary anguish you put yourself through.
This is because even if a stock or an index rises over the course of a year, if wit will drop many times over the short term. The less often you look at it, the better. I can go months without checking my investment accounts. I really don’t care. I don’t need them until I’m old!
Neither do you.
When times get tough, remember the following:
- The market always comes back, and continues its relentless march upward
- The account balance you see doesn’t mean anything unless you sell. You still own the shares/stocks.
- Don’t stare at your account balances, it’ll mess with your head
- The media is a joke
And just to mix things up a bit, since I’m a real estate investor…
- Having passive income from real estate is a great diversification strategy
Check out my Long Distance Real Estate Investing Secrets post.
Disagree with me?
Let’s duke it out in the comments.
Rich on Money
13 thoughts on “Why Timing the Market is a Bad Idea”
Very well said rich! Hope to see u in Greece in October?
Now I’m too far from Greece! I’m in Korea! Enjoy.
Rich – may I ask what your thoughts on the current media and industry push back to active management? It’s fierce now. A couple things I keep hearing:
– foreign or emerging market funds need to be actively managed. Who will know the market better a computer or manager (specifically for emerging or international)?
– sense the indexing market has become so large, there is a fear of bubble, or big herd (moo cow) in the market. There is a thought from big minds (yes, industry minds) that active management will play a bigger role as gains and opportunities outside the index will appear. (When?)
Bottom line does a 70bp fear, justify the expense? That’s the price difference in my 401k between index and managed fund.
I am an indexer, but I like to have an open mind and not get blindsided as it’s worked (so far).
Thanks – loved your CAP rate article. One of the best I’ve seen!!!
Joe, Thanks for the comment. I’ll give my opinion on this. I definitely don’t care what current media or industry are pushing for. If they are pushing me to sign up for active management, and that means I’m gonna pay extra money to line someone’s pockets to invest my money and supposedly beat the market, forget it. I understand the math. A large majority of managed funds will fail to beat the market (indexes) over the long term, but they will get paid for trying. It won’t be by me. I don’t think there can be a bubble in index funds. The kind of investing that is done by investors in index funds is totally dwarfed by what investment firms do on a large scale. What individuals do is just a blip on the screen. You can’t go wrong with indexing. I’m gonna write a post on why everyone should fire their money managers.
These are not our real numbers but hypothetically lets say:
I have a little less than 100k liquid and my wife and I both have about 40k in employer sponsored retirement accounts. We also have ROTH IRA’s. We are 33 with 2 kids. We rent in the SF Bay Area. I am a little late in the cycle to all of this REI and FIRE (assuming I know where we are in the cycle or assuming we refer to historic data). I am reluctant to move all of our liquid $$’s into our Schwab total market index fund so I have considered this strategy:
In an effort not to time the market, slowly move a set amount each month from our money market fund to index funds. This way I do not bet the farm that we have built and immediately experience the start of a bear market, leading me to want to jump off of the Golden Gate (i wouldn’t really). Maybe I’ll move 3k a month…
I have been reading and studying for a year now and I know I shouldn’t try to time the market, but building up my stash that is figuratively in a coffee can under my bed and then putting it all in index funds at once seems like timing the market in another sense.
I have been struggling with this. Thanks in advance.
What you are asking me is, should I dollar cost average or not? The only time you “win” with dollar cost averaging is if the market is dropping as you are buying. That way, each time you buy, you are buying progressively cheaper. If they market rises, then dollar cost averaging works against you, and you lose. So whether you do it or not, you have the chance of “losing” either way. It’s impossible to know what the market will do in the future. It’s up to you whether you buy all in now or not. For me, i buy in and don’t screw around with timing the market, but I can’t tell the future either.
Rich, Such a wonderful site and wealth of knowledge. Regarding market timing:
“The stock market is a device for transferring money from the impatient to the patient.” -Buffet
How do you balance real estate and index fund investing. Say you have 1 million of property value and 500k debt and you want to start in index funds.
Would you simply dollar cost average into index funds each and every month regardless or would you say to yourself… market is looking rather high, think I’ll use my $2000? worth of savings this month to pay back extra on my debts, get that guaranteed return by paying less interest and wait for a better entry price in the stock market.
Like a war chest in Buffett language to pull the trigger when markets are fearful and it’s obvious they are good value.
I have no way of knowing if the market is high or not. The only way of knowing that is going into the future and looking backwards, which is impossible.
If I have money to invest in index funds, I invest it without the slightest thought as to where we are in a cycle. I’m investing for the long term, and not planning on touching this money for 20+ years, hopefully longer, so now vs. 6 months from now vs the next dip will have a small effect 30 years from now when I start withdrawing. That’s my way of looking at it. Don’t game it. You’ll be wrong more than your right when you attempt to time your purchases. The important thing is that you invest at all.
Can you recommend allocations for TSP and why you choose them?
I wrote a whole blog post on that! I’m not sure if you read that, and are still asking, or haven’t read it.
Thank you. Found the blog after writing you.